mepis 3.3.2.test02 is faster

I've found that Test03 is much snappier on my T40.

Hi,
I don't know about the speed difference really, although i must say test03 seems faster to me than test02. I run test03 in a VM at work, and it performs A LOT better than the promepis beta I had before. It performs a lot better as well than Ubuntu in the VM for that matter.

Test03 as far as I'm concerned suits me better because:
1. hotplug finally works for my USB stick (not in 02)
2. Screen powersave works (had to manually copy over XF86config file with test02).

I did find the issue with fontinstaller, and kmail can only be started from within Kontact. So far however, I'm quite happy with test03. Only thing that should be taken care of is the key installation for the marillat repos, since that is a big bummer for newbies. Oh, and one other thing is that I think .pls file association (shoutcast like streams) should be tied to XMMS rather than Realplayer, but that's an easy fix.

Newbie or not Newbie, there's always a question

i feel sm 3.3.2 test 03 has a faster boot on my pc and it does seem snappier when running, but the main reason that im sticking with it my camera, webcam and powersave all working, also with installing kde 3.4.2 the font installer is working again

hippy (Dave)

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Did you get all your kde 3.4.2 working or you just using whats availiable for now? I was going to try compiling the missing but was unable to unzip as that program was missing to. How are you managing it oh mighty master jedi. Never mine i read your other reply. Thank You

OK kerry, my brain isn't working at peak (0.28%) performance yet. When you stated above, "Never mine i read your other reply.", uh, what was the "other reply"?

I haven't played around with the 3.3.2 tests (yet), but I'm interested in the KDE 3.4 fiasco (isn't everyone?) so if you and hippy have some "Hippy and Kerry Trippy and Krafty KDE Klues" (patented-trademark-copyright pending), I'd appreciate it

Jon

Ok, he said he has been upgrading with whats available in the repos now and he up grades the rest as they become availble. (i can't find the thread it just vanished)

kerry is spot on with what she posted above jon, but to add a little more when i first updated sm 3.3.2 - 03 kde-base came in and removed all other kde.

the following day i could not get into kde at all only a login prompt, so i ran apt-get install kdm, then installed icewm so i had a window manager, from there i was able to use synaptic and i installed the kde 3.4.2 packages that were available and this got kde 3.4.2 desktop. okay from then on as there were lots of kde 3.4.2 packages missing i have installed these as they have become available and at this moment i am still doing this, i dont think there is much left that i need multimedia is one package but most others are there and working

so no special tricks, just lucky to have 2 installs of mepis one to experiment on and one to keep pretty much stable

a couple of things i did note and have to figure out in kde 3.4.2 are as follows:

when you right click a folder/file for deletion only move to trash was available, no delete, so you open file manager super user mode

enter root password

select settings > configure konqueror

in behaviour section enable show delete context menu entries which bypass trashcan

click apply > ok

the other one was no root login which as you probably know from before is

open file manager super user mode

enter root password

go to /etc/kde/kdm

click on file kdmrc and it will open in kwrite

select edit > find

in the text to find box type allowrootlogin and uncheck case sensitive > click find

change the word false to true

it should now look like this AllowRootLogin=true

save and exit, when you next reboot root login will be shown

all in all its running great

hippy (Dave)

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Hey hippy (Dave),

a couple of questions:
1. how about the media instead of device section in 3.4? Did that get resolved with konq-plugins, or did you need to delete config file from your home folder?

2. Does hotplug work?

3. Don't you have missing menu items in 3.4?

4. Last but not least... Have you made the switch to X.org? In that case, did they compile Kwin with the transparency option (I forget the name), or do you still need transset to accomplish that?

Newbie or not Newbie, there's always a question

hi carlops, as i said i am still getting kde .3.4.2 running with mepis 3.3.2 -.test 03, however i will answer what i know now

1. i forgot to mention in post above you have to change devices to media, i did this by

opening file manage super user mode

enter root password

right mouse click on devices > properties > url tab and changed devices:/ to media:/

2. i havent tried adding anything extra to what i had plugged in but the webcam and a cheap mini digital camera were not recognised before sm 3.3.2 - test 03 but both are recognised and working

3. menu items i havent noticed anything missing

4. yes i have switched to xorg but have not looked at transparency as yet, kwin 3.4.2 was added last night , and in control centre > window behaviour there is a translucency tab with translucency, shadows and effects settings

hope thats ok

edit 22:53 uk time multimedia packages for kde 3.4.2 have been added, i am installing those now

hippy (Dave)

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hi carlops, well i have had a look at transparency, and the good news is it works and looks good, but you do get an error message when starting kde, the fix for this is to

with root privalages add a new section to your xorg conf file

Section "Extensions"
Option "Composite" "Enable"
EndSection

save and exit

restart x ctrl-alt-backspace

however the downside is it slows loading desktops and your browser so much so that at the moment i have disabled it.

have to look into getting it speeded up though cos it looks neat

hippy (Dave)

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So hippy, its kind of cool kde 3.4.2. Do you have that debian/kantonix thing going on with the big mouse tips(i never found a way to turn that off) and some double menuing. But isn't the new sounds great and the speed it's like no bloat at all to slow anything down. Whats your feelings on it right now? love to here what your thoughts are on it's cuurent state.

Hippy, I've already posted this solution to a few different people the last couple days, but no one working with the 3.3.2-testx indicated that they were having the same problem till you. The file kdebase-data gets deleted each time 3.3.1-1 goes through upgrades.

I have an automatic upgrade process that I run daily on my systems and from the logs I determined that kdebase-data was the "culprit" to "disappearing control centers" and such. So it may not be necessary to reload all of the things you indicate above (although I have done no testing of 3.3.2). The only file I'm (daily) reloading is:
apt-get install kdebase-data/testing

It's annoying, but I have no way to "pin" or lock the KDE 3.3 stuff. I've tried to do so through synaptic, and they are locked but apparently apt-get doesn't care

Ah well, I look at my upgrade logs and re-re-re-re-install kdebase-data (sigh).

Let me know if this (minimalist) re-install is all that's necessary in 3.3.2-testx. Perhaps you can reduce the bug list

Jon

Yeah jon in my test if u upgrade the kde base u will be running kde 3.4.2 but with enough missing features to just annoy u. I just said screw it and reinstalled only updating firefox. I am just going to wait and not update at all, I have all my repos currently unchecked. How come u haven't just turned of your repos so it has no where to update and won't miss up your system with the update script.

I wrote the upgrade script I use, and I could simply turn it off, but I like seeing the other things upgrade. The log that I keep will show me if there are any other problems and then won't upgrade anything, leaving it to me to decide whether to continue. However, some of these KDE items can "slip through". But I have been more cautious since last week

Jon

hi kerry, i have just installed multimedia packages, they came into unstable last night, anyway yes it was really fast at first but as you add more packages it does slow down a little, but the biggest slow down is if you enable translucency feature. it works and works well but with the shadows and effects enabled things then slow down a lot, i have unchecked translucency untill i figure out how to speed it up. with regard to the debian/kanotix thing and the big mouse tips
open control centre

select desktop then panels

there are 4 tabs select appearance

uncheck enable icon mouseover effects

click apply and close

finally i really like kde 3.4.2, it looks sharper, fonts to me look better as you say there is sound improvement and i love the translucency thing that looks really cool with shadows etc, and when you open other programs how they fade in etc

hippy (Dave)

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I agree the new features are great, but i couldn't stand all that missing stuff, so i'm back to bone stock i only updated firefox on this install of test03. I'll wait till mepis 3.4 to come out. Hey while your here. If i reinstall, do i use the same registry code when i reinstall opera or do i lose opera? How do you do it?

kerry, as far as i know if you reinstall opera because the reg code is assigned to your email address then providing you enter that email address the new install/upgrade of opera should be fine.

kde 3.4.2 is almost all there now, i dont have that much missing now from when i had kde3.3, the only thing is as i think you said an earlier post somwhere its debianised so im treating this as a learning process and when mepis 3.4 is out yes i will install that and of course i havent touched my sm 3.3.2 test 02 partition

did you have a look at the opera communtiy page from the link i posted, what did you think?

hippy (Dave)

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hi jon, have you tried pinning the kdebase-data package in your apt preferences file, that may work

eadwine who is at mepislovers gives a good explanation of how to pin packages on her web site, direct link to her explanation http://www.whiterosecreations.nl/linux/#S1.2.14.

hippy (Dave)

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It was mostly stuff i'm not worried about, I was looking for things to make opera run better. So far i've turned all the history section off except for memory cache i put on 60,i put reload instantly, i've changed the max connection's to 16 and 32 and that helps to take out some of that lag opera has. I hate that it uses's memory to pretend to be fast so when you go back your looking at a old page instead of the current page, so you have to hit reload to get the current page. Other than that i think it's great. I been checkin under operas hood so i'm sure i'll find something else i can mess with. I also made the adblock filter for opera, so finally a little relief there. Also you haven't told me any of your little tricks for opera, don't tell me your using that sucker bone stock,but your my hero.

Thanks hippy for the link. Lots o' good stuff on that page I'll have to read up on! I just checked and my entire kde collection is "locked" in synaptic, but apparently apt-get doesn't care because it continues to overwrite kdebase-data.

So, for anyone else with this problem, I added the following (as root) to my /etc/apt/preferences file:

Explanation: Pinned until KDE 3.4 stabilizes 2005-09-01
Package: kdebase-data
Pin: version 3.3.2-1*
Pin-Priority: 1001

I figured out a good way to test whether pinning a particular (set of) packages would work or not. I made the changes above in a copy of the preferences file. Lately, because of all the excitement that is Debian Repositories, I occasionally perform:
apt-get clean
apt-get update
(The update which needs to be done a couple times get rid of error messages)

Then I perform:
apt-get -s upgrade

By putting the "-s" it causes a "simulation" of an upgrade, giving me a list of all the potential changes. If all looks good, then I just do the upgrade without the "-s".

I have done the above steps a number of times, but my "new discovery" is that I can do a simulated upgrade with the old preferences file and then move the new preferences file in place and do the simulated upgrade again. If the "package(s) in question" drop off the upgrade list then I get visual confirmation that it (the preferences pinning) works! So much nicer than doing magic and then seeing, "What happened to my desktop!?"

Thanks again hippy!

Jon

no problem jon glad it helped you and yes there is a lot of good reading there eadwine has put a lot of good work and info into her site

hippy (Dave)

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Have u tried to update kde-base by itself, i noticed it now no longer requiers removing alot of stuff. It's the rest of the kde stuff that gets in the way, it wants to install before the base is there those requier removing stuff. ust a thought.

Kerry, If I try to install kdebase-data alone, apt-get will install the most recent version and that's the version that's messed up (at least when used with KDE 3.3). The new version prevents use of "Configure Desktop" or "KDE Control Center". But by installing the (now) previous version of the package by using /testing, KDE 3.3 still works. I don't know if/whether there are problems with kdebase-data when used with KDE 3.4; you folks would know that better than I

I'll just be patient and wait till KDE stabilizes a bit before I load it on my box. Since it looks like testing of 3.3.2 is progressing nicely, I don't think I'll be waiting too much longer.

Jon

Patient no more St. Jon of Du Quense.

The time has come, the repos are kind, KDE 3.4.2 is here to play.

A few minor packages missing but everything works beautifully.

Esthetically pleasing, good attention to detail and functionality, and very quick (rolled 2.6.13 for it). Much more polished. Frankly, I'm downright delighted.

MS has got to be worried sick, or at least they would be if they were smart(?). They'll never have an OS that is this fun to run.

q

If you treat your beta-testers as if they're your most valuable resource, they will respond by eating all your doughnuts.

i agree with qtech, i now have kde 3.4.2 installed on sm 3.3.2 test 03 and i really like it

good improvement in sound quality, that crackle when kde loads is gone, everything seems to be a lot smoother, i was just waiting for k3b to complete my upgrade and that came in last night

all in all im very pleased

hippy (Dave)

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I just did a sacrifical install to test how it's coming along. This was a clean install with a imtiate upgrade(i did a full smart upgrade) and then a reboot after that was finished every thing is working, i'm using it right now. I still had to lock a2p it still throws up a error. I only have ndiswrapper-utils left in upgrades. Also my opera won't install. Other than that it is usable. Also to get things back up to speed i did my usall tweaks, in /usr/include/asm in param.h i changed define USER_HZ 100 to 10 and define HZ 100 to 1000 then i did my turning off things in /etc/init.d i created a folder called off(what else would u call it) then i put the stuff i don't want (apmd,bluez-utils,capiutils,clam-freshclam,cryptdisks,hpoj,hwclockfist.sh,
hwclock.sh,isdn,isdnacivecards,isdnutils,lvm,mepis-pcmcia.sh,nviboot,pcmcia,
raid2,samba,spamassassin,wlan) in /etc/default prelink i changed PRELINKING=yes to PRELINKING=no (I don't like how it comes on from time to time sucking up the cpu, it stays at like 98% for like 30 minutes) and then i jacked firefox up with tweaks. Some u have to create by right clicking on the about page.
integer=numbers(#)
boolean=true or false
string=words(Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;rv:1.7.9))
FireFox-Tweaks
(type in address bar about:config)

browser.blink_allowed", false
browser.cache.disk.capacity", 65536
browser.cache.disk_cache_ssl", true
browser.cache.memory.capacity", 65536
browser.display.show_image_placeholders", false
browser.sessionhistory.max_entries", 10
browser.sessionhistory.max_viewers", 5
browser.tabs.showSingleWindowModePrefs", true
content.interrupt.parsing", true
content.max.tokenizing.time", 1
content.maxtextrun", 4095
content.notify.backoffcount", 1
content.notify.interval", 1
content.notify.ontimer", true
content.switch.threshold", 1
dom.disable_window_flip", true
dom.disable_window_move_resize", true
dom.disable_window_open_feature.close", true
general.useragent.override", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.9)
image.animation_mode", "once"
network.ftp.idleConnectionTimeout", 60
network.http.keep-alive.timeout", 30
network.http.max-connections", 48
network.http.max-connections-per-server", 24
network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-proxy", 16
network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server", 16
network.http.pipelining", true
network.http.pipelining.maxrequests", 10
network.http.proxy.pipelining", true
network.http.request.max-start-delay", 5
network.prefetch-next", false
nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0
plugin.expose_full_path", true
ui.submenuDelay", 0

Has anyone else, besides me, had trouble playing a comercial dvd?

I use okle to play dvd's with no problems. Have u installed libdvdcss2, it's needed to play dvd.