Just installed SM3.4-3.rc3
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The CD-DVD seems to work like a USB key now, the icons only appear when there is a disk in the drive, I was lightly concerned what this might imply for DVD movies (DVD already mounted?) but there was no problem there.
Konqueror as a web browser seems to be pretty fragile, falls over very easily, especially when opening a child window, but that seems to have been the case for a while now.
The main issue seems to be the ever decreasing set of installable applications, or at least they can be installed if you don't mind losing K3B etc.
And for those people who tell us that KPackage will NEVER remove files without giving you a yes/no option
I wished to install Qcad but was told that this could not be installed without libqt3c102-mt, I searched for and selected this file and selected install (without checking the test button, what can I say) and KPackage then without any queries installed the package, deleting a truck load of others in the process. I have been using Mepis and Debian for a few years now so was surprised. Anyway it took me to a position where I had to reboot. Just the first part of the boot process took place (without the neat blue background and % markers) and then it gave up and left me with a black screen and flashing cursor.
Just as a check I reinstalled and tried it again (hey it only takes 15 minutes) Exactly the same no warnings just delete the system.
Finally I reinstalled and did the same with the test button checked and this is the resulting list.
I'm still pissed about not having qcad though.
Building dependency tree... Done
Suggested packages:
libqt3c102-mt-psql libqt3c102-mt-mysql libqt3c102-mt-odbc
The following packages will be REMOVED:
akode akregator amarok amarok-xine ark arts artsbuilder camstream
dbus-qt-1c2 dcoprss digikam gimp2.0-quiteinsane guarddog hplip k3b
kaddressbook kaddressbook-plugins kaffeine kaffeine-xine kalarm kamera
kappfinder kaquarium kate kbattleship kcalc kcharselect kcoloredit kcontrol
kdeaddons-kfile-plugins kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork-style
kdeartwork-theme-window kdebase kdebase-bin kdebase-kio-plugins
kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs-bin kdelibs4c2a
kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins
kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork-filesharing kdepasswd
kdepim-kfile-plugins kdepim-kio-plugins kdepim-kresources kdepim-wizards
kdeprint kdesdk-kfile-plugins kdesdk-misc kdesktop kdf kdict kdm kedit kfax
kfilereplace kfind kfloppy kgamma kget kghostview kgpg khelpcenter kicker
kiconedit kipi-plugins kitchensync kjots klaptopdaemon klipper kmag
kmahjongg kmail kmailcvt kmenuedit kmilo kmines kmix kmousetool kmrml
knetload knotes konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole
konsolekalendar kontact kooka korganizer kpackage kpager kpat kpdf
kpersonalizer kpf kpilot kplayer kpoker kppp krdc krec krfb kruler ksame
kscd kscreensaver ksirtet ksmserver ksnapshot ksplash ksvg ksysguard ktimer
ktip ktnef kuickshow kuser kviewshell kwalletmanager kweather kwifimanager
kwin libarts1-audiofile libarts1-xine libarts1c2a libk3b2 libkcal2b
libkcddb1 libkdegames1 libkdepim1a libkexif1 libkipi0 libkleopatra0a
libkmime2 libkonq4 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libkscan1 libksieve0
libktnef1 libqt3-mt librss1 openoffice.org-kde python-qt3 python2.3-qt3
python2.3-sip4-qt3 qt3-dev-tools qtparted scribus scribus-template secpolicy
smb4k
The following NEW packages will be installed:
libqt3c102-mt
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 155 to remove and 32 not upgraded.
Remv akode [4:3.4.3-5]
Remv akregator [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv amarok [1.3.7-1] [amarok-xine ]
Remv amarok-xine [1.3.7-1]
Remv ark [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv arts [1.5.0-3]
Remv krec [4:3.4.3-5]
Remv artsbuilder [4:3.4.3-5]
Remv camstream [0.26.3-8]
Remv k3b [0.12.10-1]
Remv libk3b2 [0.12.10-1]
Remv smb4k [0.6.4-1+b1]
Remv konq-plugins [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kdebase [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv konqueror [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kmailcvt [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kmail [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kdebase-kio-plugins [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv dbus-qt-1c2 [0.23.4-8]
Remv dcoprss [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv digikam [0.8.0-1-1+b1]
Remv gimp2.0-quiteinsane [0.3-6]
Remv guarddog [2.5.0-1]
Remv hplip [0.9.7-4]
Remv kaddressbook-plugins [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kaddressbook [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kaffeine [0.7.1-1.3+b1] [kaffeine-xine ]
Remv kaffeine-xine [0.7.1-1.3+b1]
Remv kalarm [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kamera [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data [4:3.4.3-5]
Remv kappfinder [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kaquarium [1.0-beta-5+b1]
Remv kate [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kbattleship [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kcalc [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kcharselect [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kcoloredit [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv kcontrol [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kdeaddons-kfile-plugins [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kdeadmin-kfile-plugins [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kdeartwork-style [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kdeartwork-theme-window [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv qtparted [0.4.4-5]
Remv kscreensaver [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kdm [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kdesktop [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kdebase-bin [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kdegraphics-kfile-plugins [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv openoffice.org-kde [2.0.1-1]
Remv kplayer [0.5.3-0.3]
Remv secpolicy [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv librss1 [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv korganizer [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv libkpimexchange1 [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kontact [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kdepim-wizards [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv libkpimidentities1 [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv konsolekalendar [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv knotes [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kitchensync [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kdepim-kresources [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kdepim-kio-plugins [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kpilot [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kdepim-kfile-plugins [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv libkcal2b [4:3.4.3-1] [libkdepim1a ]
Remv libkdepim1a [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv ktnef [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv libktnef1 [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv libksieve0 [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kooka [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv libkscan1 [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv kicker [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kfind [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kdepasswd [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv libkonq4 [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv libkmime2 [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv libkleopatra0a [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kipi-plugins [0.1+rc1-1+b1]
Remv libkipi0 [0.1.2-2]
Remv libkexif1 [0.2.2-2]
Remv ksirtet [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv ksame [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kpoker [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kpat [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kmines [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kmahjongg [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv libkdegames1 [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kscd [4:3.4.3-5]
Remv kdemultimedia-kio-plugins [4:3.4.3-5]
Remv libkcddb1 [4:3.4.3-5]
Remv libarts1-xine [4:3.4.3-5]
Remv ksmserver [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kwin [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kwifimanager [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kweather [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kwalletmanager [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kfax [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv kviewshell [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv kuser [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kuickshow [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv ktip [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv ktimer [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv ksysguard [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv ksvg [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv ksplash [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv ksnapshot [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv kruler [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv krfb [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv krdc [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kppp [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kpf [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kpersonalizer [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kpdf [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv kpager [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kpackage [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv konsole [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv konqueror-nsplugins [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv knetload [2.3-3+b1]
Remv kmrml [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv kmousetool [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kmix [4:3.4.3-5]
Remv kmilo [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kmenuedit [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kmag [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv klipper [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv klaptopdaemon [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kjots [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kiconedit [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv khelpcenter [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kgpg [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kghostview [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv kget [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kgamma [4:3.4.3-4]
Remv kfloppy [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kfilereplace [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kedit [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kdict [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kdf [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv kdesdk-misc [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kdesdk-kfile-plugins [4:3.4.3-1]
Remv kdeprint [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kdenetwork-filesharing [4:3.4.3-3]
Remv kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins [4:3.4.3-5]
Remv kdelibs-bin [4:3.4.3-2] [kdelibs4c2a ]
Remv kdelibs4c2a [4:3.4.3-2]
Remv libarts1-audiofile [4:3.4.3-5]
Remv libarts1c2a [1.5.0-3]
Remv scribus-template [1.2.1-1]
Remv scribus [1.2.2.1.dfsg+cvs20050829-1]
Remv qt3-dev-tools [3:3.3.5-3]
Remv python-qt3 [3.15-4]
Remv python2.3-qt3 [3.15-4]
Remv python2.3-sip4-qt3 [4.3.1-1]
Remv libqt3-mt [3:3.3.5-3]
Inst libqt3c102-mt (3:3.3.4-3 Debian:3.1r1/stable)
Conf libqt3c102-mt (3:3.3.4-3 Debian:3.1r1/stable)
RESULT=0
I hasten to add
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I wasn't making the point against Mepis, it's just that it was the first thing that had come up after a new install. I was really commenting about the state of the repositories and waving too the people who say that KPackage will NEVER do bad things to you.
"I was really commenting
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"I was really commenting about the state of the repositories and waving too the people who say that KPackage will NEVER do bad things to you."
If you read the prompts and you say "No" when it tries to remove important packages than it will never do bad things. If you respond blindly "yes" to any prompt than I'm afraid there's no hope.
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Wasn't really addressing your post just venting a common
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The rant wasn't aimed at you....
And everyone knows about the warnings prior to removing the boatload...
It just shouldn't have ever come to this....with etch..
and I shouldn't have to watch for rattlesnakes to newbie upgrade...
Also I stand by my original point....
Load up a fresh 3.3.1-1 then try to install Amarok or grip
and watch the whistles and bells go off warning you about losing
all of your gui desktop just to add those two common apps...
hehehe..
I know... But, 3.3.1-1 is
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I know...
But, 3.3.1-1 is kind of old, Etch is moving forward, if you install 3.4-3 you'll not have that problem.
Or if you want perfect stability you could use Sarge (stable) that doesn't change. However the perfect combination in my opinion is latest Mepis + Etch.
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You're Kidding Right ?
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3.3.1-1 had no problems...except MC is missing on initial install
as far as I'm concerned....
Are you keeping count of how many this don't work and that don't work
have been posted today alone....it's in the hundreds....
cmon......
You can't expect Etch to
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You can't expect Etch to stay in place for half of year for you to use an old product. That 3.3.1 is more closer to Sarge, you might have success installing programs from there, otherwise you could get the Mepis Extra CDs that are a snaptshot at the time 3.3 was released (I think)
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Sure I can...
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install once update forever...
Just don't delete my kde I already have in the name
of progress....hehehe
"Sometimes I just wanna yell
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"Sometimes I just wanna yell at those idiots and say
"Hey keep that crap over in testing and leave us Etch folks alone"!!!"
The only problem is that Etch = testing, the idiots will yell back at you: "Keep your hand off our testing then!!!"
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I Agree
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Burdicda is right! This is a major problem for newbies like myself. It's hard enough learning a new OS without having it replaced every few months by a supposedly more up to date and better version.
It is very frustrating to spend weeks, or even months, tracking down how to tweak your distribution and overcome its minor faults only to find the latest upgrades don't work with your distribution, or create a whole new range of problems.
"Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO is the answer." ??? Erik Naggum.
Than why don't you just get
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Than why don't you just get Mepis Extra CDs and just install programs from there?
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If you read the prompts and you say "No"
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My point was that there where NO prompts, I tried it twice as a check and watched very closely, NO PROMPTS !!
The Irony of the Debian Repositories...
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I really don't know what anyone on the Mepis side of things can do about it, but for quite sometime now I have felt like a hostage to the debian repositories....
I cannot install a fresh 3.3.1-1 and then go right in and install
Amarok
Grip
K3b upgrade
and quite a few other really wonderful to have packages
without being "driveby gangbanged"
There are no protections in place to keep you from losing kdm
kde...and all the major gui packages...
Sometimes I just wanna yell at those idiots and say
"Hey keep that crap over in testing and leave us Etch folks alone"!!!
I could care less about having cutting edge apps that are only a few minutes old....
The problem is these folks working on k3b and other apps are locking us out ...with wild bleeding edge library lockins...
Linux....Mepis and all other distributions need a "k3b"
we need an "Amarok"....we need a "Grip" and I would settle for older
versions if I could but that doesn't seem to be an option...